Disciples - Judas
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The call of Judas
" While Jesus was preparing the disciples for their ordination, one who was not called struggled to be numbered among them. It was Judas Iscariot, who professed to be a follower of Christ. With great vehemence and apparent sincerity, he declared: "Lord, I will follow you wherever you go." Jesus neither repulsed him nor welcomed him, but spoke only the sad words: "Foxes have dens, and the birds of the sky nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to recline ". DTN 293
We see in this text that Judas was not chosen by Christ, as he quotes " one who was not called " but if Judas "struggled to be counted among them" , and Judas " then went ahead, requesting a place in this more intimate circle of disciples " , Judas requested, and it was not Christ who called him, as he did with the eleven, and more Christ " nor did he welcome him with displays of pleasure " , and " nor did he repel him ." # * #
In the text below we see that the eleven wanted Judas but Christ was not pleased with that.
" The disciples were anxious for Judas to be counted among them. He had an imposing appearance, was gifted with executive acumen and skill, and they recommended him to Jesus as a person who would be of great use to him in the work. They were surprised that he received it so coldly. "DTN 294
We see that " The disciples were anxious for Judas to be numbered among them " , and Jesus received Judas in a different way "They were surprised that he received him so coldly ".
Judas was included with the twelve because of the eleven.
"The disciples had been very disappointed that Jesus had not sought to obtain the cooperation of Israel's guides. They thought it was a mistake not to consolidate His cause with the support of these men of influence. Had He repulsed Judas, he would have doubted the Master's wisdom in his heart. The later history of Judas would reveal to them the danger of allowing any worldly consideration to influence the judgment of the capacity of men for the work of God. The cooperation of men like those the disciples were anxious to achieve would have delivered the work into the hands of the worst enemies . "NTD
We see that if Christ had repulsed Judas the disciples " would have, in their hearts, doubted the Master's wisdom " , and this judgment of the disciples shows" the danger of allowing any worldly consideration to influence judging the capacity of men for the work of God ", notably because of the disciples Christ cannot repel Judas out of love for the disciples, and not out of a choice that Judas would be a blessing to the cause.
So we conclude that Judas was the only disciple that Christ had to accept and not that he chose him as he did with the eleven.
Dear Brother I
notice that we are debating the word "want", this word can have different aspects, in short the brother wrote " When a text of the Spirit of Prophecy, collides with a biblical text, always choose the biblical text", this must be unacceptable, or Ellen is a false prophet or the text is false, only the possibility of this existence should do what she considers the testimonies to clash with the Bible should be indignant to seek why and not just" always choose by the biblical text ", it is like accepting that the lie must be together with the truth, and that from God the lie and the truth can come, since Ellen says" I do not write an article in the magazine, expressing mere ideas of mine. They are what God has revealed to me in vision - the precious rays of light that shine from the throne . Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 67, 1882. TSV2 ", will we then consider that words from the throne come contrary to the Bible's compendium?
The problem lies in the action of interpreting words, for when Christ says Lazarus sleeps, sleeping is not just the act of sleeping and getting up day after day, and the leaven of the Pharisees does not involve only the bread that the Pharisees sold.
The word want, choose, also has different functions, since wanting to involve a complement, because who wants to want something, and the act of determining what is necessary to know. If we read
Dan 4:17 This sentence is by decree of the watchmen, and by order of the saints; so that the living ones may know that the Most High has dominion over the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever he wants, and even the most humble of men constitutes over them.
See that it is written " and give it to anyone who wants it", Nero was an emperor and dominated a period of history killing thousands of Christians, following the text of Daniel we have that God" gives to anyone ", and therefore gave Nero the domain to kill Christians since" the Most High has dominion over the kingdom of men ".
And if we read:
Isa 46:10 that I announce the end from the beginning, and from antiquity the things that have not yet happened; that I say: My purpose will endure, and I will do all my will;
See that God does his will and we read:
Luk 22:42 saying, Father, if you want, take this cup from me, yet not my will, but yours, be done.
Mat 26:39 And going forward a little, he fell on his face and prayed, saying, My Father, if it is possible, pass this cup from me; however, not as I want, but as you want.
In these texts we can see that Christ did not want to go through the cup, but God wanted him to go through, but God was pleased with Christ's suffering, of course not, but there was no other way to save man than this way, and this way so God wanted Christ to pass through the cup, this was not an act of wanting out of taste, but out of necessity, that is, for man to be saved. God wanted Christ to die, the word wanting can have this functioning in the Bible, God wants a thing because it is necessary, but if there were no sin, Christ would not have to die.
In the same way we see in the Desire of Ages "Had He repulsed Judas, he would have doubted the Master's wisdom in his heart, "in the same way Christ chose Judas because if the disciples did not" in his heart, he doubted the Master's wisdom " That is why Christ did not repel Judas, now the word choose, determine, want, involves needs.
The brother said "Even because no one becomes a disciple of Christ, we are called, to accept or not, it depends on us and not the other way around. "see that it is one thing to be a disciple of Christ another thing to be part of the twelve, the twelve are the leaders of the twelve tribes, the names of each of the twelve are on the twelve doors of the holy city, however much we want, these chairs are captive to the twelve, we can be disciples of Christ,but never be part of the twelve.
If we consider that Christ called Judas to be a disciple like the eleven, we would determine that Christ does not know the future of Judas, or that Christ would want the prophecies not to be fulfilled, now if Christ knows the future and knows the prophecies right away, the choice of Judas wraps the text below:
John 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in your name that you gave me; and I kept them, and none of them was lost, except the son of perdition, so that Scripture might be fulfilled.
The brother quotes the texts:
Mar 3:13 Then he went up to the mountain, and called to himself those he wanted; and came to him.
Mar 3:14 Then he appointed twelve to be with him, and to send them out to preach;
Mar 3:15 and to have the authority to cast out demons.
Mar 3:16 He therefore designated the twelve, namely:
In Mar 3:13 he says "he called those he himself wanted ", and in 14 he says " So he appointed twelve ", the term calling does not involve that he only called twelve, he called several as he quotes in Luke:
Luk 6:12 In those days he withdrew to the mountain to pray; and spent the whole night in prayer to God.
Luk 6:13 After dawn, he called his disciples, and chose twelve of them, whom he also called apostles:
There were several disciples besides the twelve:
Luk 10: 1 After that the Lord appointed seventy others, and sent them forth of himself, two by two, to all the cities and places where he would go.
Here in this text we see seventy disciples, who were not the twelve, but designated twelve, as I believe in the testimonies, I believe that Judas' desiquination occurred because if Christ " Had He repulsed Judas, and they would have, in their hearts, doubted wisdom of the Master ", the twelve were chosen by God even before the birth of their mothers' wombs, but Judas was the prophecy, to which Mat 26:24 says,
Truly the Son of man goes, as it is written about him; but woe to him for whom the Son of Man is betrayed! it would be good for this man if he had not been born.
Mar 14:21 For the Son of man goes, as it is written about him; but woe to him for whom the Son of Man is betrayed! it would be good for this man if he had not been born.
Christ knew the future and knew that Judas would not be in the celestial mansions as a stone in the holy city, see the text:
Consider the touching scene. See the Majesty of Heaven having around the twelve chosen by Him. Soon he will set them apart for the work he has destined for them. Through these weak instruments, through His Word and Spirit, He sets out to make salvation available to all. AA 18 SC 7
Cite "He will soon set them apart for the work that he destined them ", knowing that " none of them was lost, except the son of perdition, so that the Scripture might be fulfilled ", John 17:12.
Yes Christ chose Judas in the same way that God chose to give quails to the people of Israel in the desert, and they "Num 11:33When the flesh was still between its teeth, before it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and he smote the Lord with a very large plague . "Now it was not God who gave the flesh to the people. God also gave Israel a king" 1Sa 8:22 The Lord said to Samuel, Give ear to his voice, and make them king. "and he was anointed to Saul as king, but such a thing was not for good because the king arose out of the hardness of the heart of Israel" 1Sa 8: 7 The Lord said to Samuel: Hear the voice of the people in everything they say to you, for it is not you who have rejected, but me, lest I reign over them. "
Now ask yourself, who put Saul as king of Israel, the answer is clear was God, but why this happened, it happened because of the hardness of Israels heart, and God said a lot of bad things that was going to happen because of having a king, so the evil of having a king was the consequence of the people wanting a king.
In the same way Christ chose Judas but why Christ chose Judas chose why " Had He repulsed Judas, and in his heart, he would have doubted the Master's wisdom ", both the Bible and the testimonies unite and demonstrate the story in its complete form.
The testimonies also quote that " The later history of Judas would reveal to them the danger of allowing any worldly consideration to influence the judgment of the capacity of men for the work of God.", the disciples who wished Judas to be part of the twelve, and Christ chose Judas to teach the eleven" the danger of allowing any worldly consideration to influence judging the ability of men to the work of God ", because the disciples wanted Judas for
" The disciples were anxious for Judas to be numbered among them. He had an imposing appearance, was gifted with executive acumen and skill, and they recommended him to Jesus as a person who would be of great use to him in the work. "DTN 294
Christ always came to his disciples and called them Judas was the disciples' recommendation" they recommended him to Jesus as a person who would be of great use to him in the work ", and Christ chose Judas so that"The later history of Judas would reveal to them the danger of allowing any worldly consideration to influence judging the capacity of men for the work of God. "
I just want to show the brother that the choice of Judas occurred differently, from the eleven, because it was the disciples who had to learn " the danger of allowing any worldly consideration to influence judgment ", or the brother thinks that Christ who had to learn this lesson.
Therefore Christ chose Judas as God chose Saul, I would prefer not to have Saul as king because I prefer God as my king but God said " but to me, lest I reign over them ", so God chose Saul, who was terrible for Israel, just like the disciples "and they would have, in their hearts, doubted the wisdom of the Master ", and for this reason Christ chose Judas.
The brother quotes that" He will never accept imposition from anyone ", but God gives what is asked for, even if it is bad, such as quails, or a king God grants bad requests so that later it can be seen that " worldly consideration should not influence judgment ", as the disciples did in the case of Judas.
Dear brother, I believe that you have scrutinized the texts under analysis, but if the brother has a clear one, says the Lord to unite the texts of the testimonies with the Bible, I accept or prove that Ellen is a false prophet, or that the text is false, but it has to prove that it is false, or show me with logic that my analysis is wrong. ', 1, 12,' 2008-12-20 01:33:01 ', 42, Ancient Jerusalem no longer exists
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